Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened?

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Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Thus it is clear that the two groups of beings already existed before God created this world. Identity of the Morning Stars Revelation , 9 identifies the stars as angels. But who are the sons of God? And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?

They came to present themselves on a certain day. This contrasts with the previous verse where we are told that Job offered sacrifices always Job Notice that the text does not say that he came with them. Evidently Satan claimed the right to belong to this select group.

What made him feel like he had the right to appear among this select group? Where, then, must the other sons of God have come from? Is it just possible that they also came from other planets? If the sons of God came again, then they must have left the presence of God and gone back to where they came from for the first meeting. According to the Spirit of Prophecy, the 24 elders are powerful angels to whom God as delegated the responsibility of being representatives of the worlds that never sinned.

John says: "I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon" [verse 4]. The vision as presented to John made its impression upon his mind. The destiny of every nation was contained in that book. John was distressed at the utter inability of any human being or angelic intelligence to read the words, or even to look thereon. His soul was wrought up to such a point of agony and suspense that one of the strong angels had compassion on him, and laying his hand on him assuringly, said, "Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof" [verse 5].

The angel inquires of John, "What are these which are arrayed in white robes? The inevitable conclusion is that the elder who is speaking is a powerful angel. He answered, thou knowest. And the angel said, "These are they who have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. There is a fountain in which we may wash from every stain of impurity. And says the angel, "He shall lead them to fountains of living waters, and shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

This will be the happy privilege of those that have kept the commandments of God in the earth. And whence came they? The very highest angels in the heavenly courts are appointed to work out the prayers which ascend to God for the advancement of the cause of God.

Each angel has his particular post of duty, which he is not permitted to leave for any other place. If he should leave, the powers of darkness would gain an advantage. Why did Satan claim the right to belong to this select group? And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours. Human beings were a new and distinct order. They were made "in the image of God," and it was the Creator's design that they should populate the earth.

They were to live in close communion with heaven, receiving power from the Source of all power. Upheld by God, they were to live sinless lives. He pronounces them just as deserving as himself of exclusion from the favor of God.

They profess to obey the law of God; but have they kept its precepts? Have they not been lovers of self more than lovers of God? Have they not placed their own interests above His service? Have they not loved the things of the world? Look at the sins that have marked their lives. Behold their selfishness, their malice, their hatred of one another. Will God banish me and my angels from His presence, and yet reward those who have been guilty of the same sins?

Thou canst not do this, O Lord, in justice. Justice demands that sentence be pronounced against them. It was God's purpose to repopulate heaven with the human family. The Truth about Angels, p. Though formed from the dust, Adam was "the son of God. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. But he was the son of God in a special and different sense than we are—he was the son of God by creation, not procreation.

For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; you have put all things under his feet, all sheep and oxen—even the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea that pass through the paths of the seas. Thus the Psalmist is saying that the entire planet was under the dominion of Adam who was the king.

To him was given dominion over every living thing that God had created. The Lord blessed Adam and Eve with intelligence such as he had not given to the animal creation.

He made Adam the rightful sovereign over all the works of his hands. White, Review and Herald, February 24, Conclusion: Adam was crowned as king and the realm of his kingdom was planet earth. A closer look reveals that they were covered with glorious garments of light. O Lord my God, You are very great: You are clothed with honor and majesty, who cover Yourself with light as with a garment, who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.

In Matthew 17 the raiment of Jesus is spoken of as being white as the light. Notice the following incisive comment by Ellen G. So long as they lived in obedience to God, this robe of light continued to enshroud them. Conclusion: Adam and Eve were clothed with white garments of light.

The Sabbath was committed to Adam, the father and representative of the whole human family. This point is also made clear in the Bible. Even though Eve sinned first, Adam was held accountable by God.

Thus, Jesus is the second Adam, not the second Eve! The Context of Revelation Four and Five Revelation 4 describes four orders of beings: One who is seated on the throne, God the Father ; the seven Spirits before the throne ; the four living creatures or seraphim ; Isaiah ; and the 24 elders Missing in chapter four are the angelic hosts and Christ.

It is important to realize that the twenty-four elders were around the throne before the arrival of Jesus in chapter 5. This means that the 24 elders cannot be those who resurrected with Jesus because when Jesus arrived in heaven they were already there! Revelation 5 depicts two other additional orders of being: The angels who arrived with the Lamb who had just been slain and resurrected. Who are the Twenty-four Elders? But where are they rulers? As He ascended, He led the way, and the multitude of captives [notice that these arrive in heaven with Jesus while the 24 elders were already there] set free at His resurrection followed.

The heavenly host, with shouts and acclamations of praise and celestial song, attended the joyous train. As they drew near to the city of God, the challenge is given by the escorting angels: "Lift up your heads, O ye gates; And be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; And the King of glory shall come in.

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; Even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; And the King of glory shall come in. The escorting angels make reply: "The Lord of hosts; He is the King of glory.

Then the portals of the city of God are opened wide, and the angelic throng sweep through the gates amid a burst of rapturous music. There is the throne [Revelation ], and around it the rainbow of promise [Revelation ].

There are cherubim and seraphim [Revelation ]. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds [Revelation ], are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,--all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King. But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the coronet of glory and the royal robe.

He enters into the presence of His Father [the one seated on the throne]. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails [the lamb as though it had been slain]. He points to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf, those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming.

He approaches the Father [the one seated on the throne], with whom there is joy over one sinner that repents; who rejoices over one with singing.


24 Elders, The

It is interesting to me that the identity of the 24 elders has suddenly become controversial within the SDA Church. It is a concept that is introduced in Revelation but is not defined in Revelation. But since it is being discussed this week, let me address the problem briefly. You can reference these articles in Frank B. But Adventists are to take their primary authority from the Bible and the Bible only. This was re-affirmed in the changes voted to the Fundamental Beliefs in The argument that the 24 elders are angels seems grounded primarily in four statements of Ellen White, two in private letters Letter 65, and Letter 79, , one in Great Controversy, page and one in Signs of the Times, January 4,


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